Sanctuary Study and its importance (104 views)
From:  Franksharing    9/18/2003 10:25 pm  
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Sanctuary Study and it Importance

My dear brothers, and sisters

I am trying not to present a study that we can study together by asking questions and hopefully some answers that we can glean out of the Word together. To start off with I thought it would be good to look at the first covenant that God established with man kind just after the fall.

I am going to share a little on what I see as we look at, creation to the fall of man. The first parents fell from perfect willing obedience. If they would have maintained their faithfulness, willing obedience would kept them safe in the natural perpetual motion of everlasting life. It could only be maintained by willing obedience, inspired by love for God. 

Now that man sinned, God took it upon Himself to offer a way that would save man from sin or disobedience. The natural law of love, God created in humanity. In the complexity of man, God wanted us to love Him with a full understanding of why we loved Him. He did not program love in us, He gave all the power of choice to exercise. Man has had the freedom to make their own choices from the beginning, and the saints will have the power of choice throughout eternity!

Adam and Eve did not disobey God because they were in rebellion, but because the devil deceived them into making choices that would cause them to not take God at His Word. Where we are first introduced to outright rebellion in humanity, is with Cain.  Adam and Eve came into life with what we call today a New Heart. For them it was the natural heart until they sold them selves by choice to sin and their untainted relationship with God was lost.

Now they and we would be are under the cure of the Law because the wages of sin is death if it were not for the love of Jesus and His sacrifice. Before their disobedience they just naturally did what was the will of God because they were created in the image of God!

The promise of the Savior to be born as the Son of man. The devil tryed to do all he can to keep the promise form being fulfilled up to the very time of our saviors victorious life and death on the Cross. Jesus was and is the perfect substitute for your sins, my sins and all man kind. By choosing to believe and serve Him fully we are saved from the penalty of sin, by His blood.  Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. KJV

With all the evil intentions of the devil, all he was able to accomplish was to bruise the heal of Jesus by way of all the damage and destruction caused in his evil hopes of preventing the promise form being fulfilled. On the great judgment day or day of atonement Satan and all his angels and those who did not surrender self to Jesus will face the full penalty of sin. The second death is forever and ever!

The second time the promise or covenant is stated about the promise of the seed of man. It stems from the Promise to Adam and Eve, the seed of Hope of a promised savior to save the faithful followers of God from there sins by the Blood of the One who is slain for our sins. Gen 9:8-9 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; KJV

The covenant promise this time reveals more of the scope of Gods love and power. Gen 9:12-13 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. KJV

As we read and study what followed we see, that man slowly in some cases and quite rapidly in others, they would put their trust more and more into themselves to save themselves.  Gen 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. KJV

Then Abraham shows up on the scene. He was just a small remnant of those that still held love, honor and worship of the true and living God! God promise to Abraham was from him would come a great nation, and bless him. His name and memory would continue down through history and would be a blessing to others by his demonstration of loyalty and dedication to God.  Gen 12:1-2 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: KJV

God is reminding Abraham of His promise that has been handed down through out the ages. Like God promised Noah, the seed of Promise would be fulfilled through him, now it is being passed on to Abraham by way of his direct decedents. Yet even here God reveals more of His plan of salvation from sin.  The Promise of redemption was not to just Abrahams decedents but to all the families of the earth.  Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. KJV

Even though Abraham trusted God, he still looked at his situation in the mind of his own reasoning, Thinking it beyond all reason for Gods promise to able to be fulfilled. Gen 15:1-4 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. KJV

Abraham even though he had truble keeping faith in Gods promise he still obeys God Gen 15:8-9 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? And he said unto him, Take... KJV 

God tell Abraham even though He has promised a great position, his desendance will have struggles that will require faith in Him, the God of Heaven and Earth, Creator of all things  Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; KJV

The promise of the Seed of Promise was always unconditional. But too expect a covenant that is based on an agreement from both side, man needs to fulfill his part to expect, the reward of the agreement from God. 

Have you ever considered what circumcised stand for and why God required Abraham and all his house hold and dependance to perform it? Other than for sanitary reasons. Gal. 4 Gives some good insights. We can not rely on the flesh of man, but by faith in God. Gen 17:9-11 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. KJV

Abraham was having trouble believing that God could do what He promised! Even at that God told Abraham that he would renew the covenant promise to Isaac, his promised son to be.  Gen 17:17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? KJV

God is in control, all and His power is beyond our understanding and comprehension. He can do what ever He wants. His love for this fallen race is so marvelous that we can't even began to realize, yet He promised to deliver us by the One who would take our punishment upon Himself! What a wounderful love!

Again we see the promise of the seed following down through raiment of the faithful Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. KJV

Next it is Sarah that has a hard time really believing in Gods promises. Gen 18:12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also? KJV

God gives Abraham and Sarah a gentle but strong rebuke for there lack of faith in His Word. Gen 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son KJV

The sons of Jacob the fathers of the twelve tribes of Israel, as time passed there comfort and ease of life seemed to take the place in there minds setting their allegiance to Gods throne, repalecing it with trust in themselves. Making it necessary for God to give some discipline. Ex 2:24-25And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them. KJV

I will continue with this study and train of thought in the next study. Feel free to say what is on your mind. I sure dont know it all! Thank you for your participation.

A brother in the faith of Jesus, Frank

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 
 
From:  SahaganBeta   9/19/2003 4:38 pm  
To:  Franksharing    (2 of 19)  
 
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Hey Brother; 
This is good. 

Covenant is a thing not often talked about today. But, it is the singular manner in which God has decided to deal with, to fellowship with, and to reward or punish man. Covenant is of and from God, for and to us.... 

But that doesn't take from us, the responsibility of our playing an integral role in the covenant under which we find ourselves related to God. 

For you see, a covenant ALWAYS presents two sides to the same story. God says, "I will do this, if you will do that". That is the essence of covenant. God said to Israel, as they were being delivered from the land of Eqypt, "Hear and obey my laws....and I will lead you, guide you, feed you, bless you, hamper your enemies and give to you a land filled with milk and honey, and that your days may be long on the earth". Two elements here, always two elements. They are 1) Hear and obey the law, and 2) God will do His part, and you'd better believe it will constitute well more than half the bargain. And to, there is ever and always a negative side to covenant with God. Do not do your part, and you will not find the blessing, but will be cast aside, disregarded, by God. 

In other words, all man had to offer God, was obedience. While God could offer complete and full deliverance, long life, blessing and so much more. 

This reality of covenant is beautifully expressed by the author Andrew Murray, with "First of all, His covenant was always A REVELATION OF HIS PURPOSES, holding out, in definite promise, what God was willing to work in those with whom the covenant was made." 

So, is God revealing His purpose in the covenant with Abraham? And later with His covenant with Israel through the law? 

Well, yes, God is indeed revealing His purpose. We should remember that the word 'faith' is seen twice only throughout the entirety of the Old Testament. But the CONCEPT of faith is like a thread that runs so true through the older scriptures. God began, even before the incarnation of God expressed in the man Christ Jesus, even before John the Baptist began preparing the way for faith and grace through faith in Christ, to work within His people, faith. See this, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Gal 3:24. Even the law was an exercise directed by God, to bring us to faith, to Jesus Christ. 

So that even in the giving of the law of Moses, God's purpose was faith, and even though it would be hundreds of years before the realization of that faith would come to be, it is still there, right before us. 

But Abraham? Yes, for a man and woman past child-bearing years, their faith in God produced a miraculous offspring in Isaac. But even then, it was faith in God that led Abraham to honestly and forthrightly offer that son upon the altar when asked of God to do so. And when many liberal or modernist Christians say that God is here asking for a human sacrifice, I say that what God is seeking here is a single little thing called 'faith'. God wasn't the least bit interested in human sacrifice, but was greatly concerned about faith. 

And circumcision with respect to Abraham? Its lots more than a sacrament, or an obedience. It was (in the flesh back then, before Christ) and is (in our being circumcised in our baptismal identification with the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord) a sign, a sign of faith. 

"And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness OF THE FAITH WHICH HE HAD being yet uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:' 

'And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who ALSO WALK IN THE STEPS OF THE FAITH OF OUR FATHER ABRAHAM, which he had being yet uncircumcised." Romans 4:11-12 

Circumcision was not an end unto itself. It was a living witness to the faith that already existed in the heart and spirit of those receiving circumcision. It is God's imprimatur, placed upon an already existing faith, saying, "This one is faithful. This one is righteous by faith. This one is mine." 

Today, we aren't circumcised in the flesh (save for health reasons only), but we most certainly are circumcised in heart and in spirit, 
"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh (note: in our baptism) by the circumcision of Christ:' 

'Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.' 

'And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses...." Col 2:11-13 

Its incredible, that we today, so many hundreds or thousands of years removed from the act, are nonetheless encompassed in that act, the act of circumcision whereby the faith we have in God, in the covenant He made with our forefathers (Abraham, even though we be not Israel after the flesh) is now living in us! 

This is the most precious promise, for in that promise, all nations of the earth will be blessed in us. This promise overlooks, extends over, under, beyond and around, the law. The law served its purpose, and was set aside, but the promise remains, fulfilled in those of us who are today, the seed of Abraham corporate, for "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE." Gal 3:29 

A simple covenant, a promise, made those many generations ago, and we today, are comprehended by it, that God's promise of eternal life in faith should be fulfilled in us. 

Thanks Brother! and please, forgive my exurberance in considering and talking about this wonderful aspect of life in Christ. 

God bless you. Most eagerly looking for more, I am and remain sincerely yours in Jesus Christ, 

Sahagan, fully qualified....to be least among you
 
  
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     9/20/2003 7:20 am  
To:  Franksharing    (3 of 19)  
 
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"Adam and Eve did not disobey God because they were in rebellion, but because the devil deceived them into making choices that would cause them to not take God at His Word."

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I have a problem with this statement.   From what I read in the Word, I see that we are tempted with what is already in our hearts...and it is because of what is in our hearts that leads us astray.  Sure, Satan tempts and deceives us, but I believe it is only because we choose to disobey God in the first place...in our hearts.  If we were not forgetting God in our hearts, then Satan's temptations would have no more effect on us than a fly buzzing around our ear.

then you said:

"Where we are first introduced to outright rebellion in humanity, is with Cain.  "

How do you figure?   Is it any less 'rebellion' to 'eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil' than to kill someone?   Murder is merely an outward manifestation of what is already in someone's heart toward God and man.  IMO, and apparently that of God, it is no worse than saying in our heart that we hate our brother.   Rebellion is rebellion and sin is sin.

 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/21/2003 2:03 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (4 of 19)  
 
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Hi Amy,

 

Interesting topic.

 

I wonder about the original sin as well.

 

It does seem important that Satan did deceive Adam and Eve.

 

When God comes down and talks to Adam and the Woman about their disobedience God does not ask the woman what happened and I think it's because Satan had so bamboozled the woman that she was going to take the blame for what happened and Satan was going to get off. So God, knowing what was going to happen if he asked the woman first, differed and asked Adam what happened and Adam replied that it was the woman and then the woman got upset and rightfully blamed Satan anyhow Satan did not get away with his deliberate plan.

 

It is also interesting that the woman does not have a name until after the fall and then Adam names her Eve The Mother of All Living Thats amazing because Adam and the woman just became dead in sin yet now In Faith of the right then and there Promised Messiah in the seed of the woman Adam Believes God for Life and Redemption and names the woman Eve and therefore, Yes, through Faith Adam and Eve are both in Heaven right now.

 

God Bless You,
David



David A. Brown
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  From:  Franksharing    9/21/2003 10:47 pm  
To:  SahaganBeta   (5 of 19)  
 
  697.5 in reply to 697.2  
 
Hi Shagan

I appreciated all the good thoughts you shared. It helps to keep the line of thought on the issue of sin and what it takes on the part of man who excepts salvation by faith.

Even tough we realize salvation is a free gift and we cannot earn it. Our heart changes as we respond in kind to the New Heart.

By the free grace we except by faith, that puts a smile on God's face. With out faith true obedience to God's will is impossible for mankind, who was sold under sin. 

Faith is impossible without a genuine love that is filled with respect for God our Maker. Praise God who redeemed us with a great demonstration of His love through Jesus Christ our Messiah.

  Yes, the act of circumcision was a sigh of acknowledging their faith. By  acknoweging that man cannot rely on man to accomplish God's plans. It is  faith that not only saves us from ourselves but builds a faith in God.   A growing in grace!

Like you pointed out baptism is an out ward sign of our faith and trust in God.

 The next study is going to start dealing with the sanctuary, I feel we will all be blessed by a closer look or at least a refresher of past studies.

Let me know when you want to deal more specifically with a certain detail.

God bless
Frank

 

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 
 
  
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  From:  Franksharing    9/22/2003 12:18 am  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (6 of 19)  
 
  697.6 in reply to 697.3  
 
Greetings my Beloved Child of God

It is my hope and prayer that you are seeking understanding in the Word of God as I am. I have no authority to make claims, I just try to express what the Word says to me as I seek to know Jesus and understand the everlasting gospel.

The way you look at it may be different which is okay, I am not here to argue over such points but I do enjoy seeing how others think and even react to the subject at hand.

The only reason I said it was not out of rebellion is because before their fall to sin they did not have sin in their heart from past experience like you are I. They were of a pure heart that reflected God's character. That is the way it comes across to me as I read the account.

 Gen 3:1
....And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
KJV

Then a question that she never considered before, because she believed what God told her even if she could not fully understand what death was.

Gen 3:2-3
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
KJV

She took God's Word at face value without question. At lest that is the way it reads to me.

Then the devil lied by a half truth, which seemed to give her something to think about.

Gen 3:4-5
And the serpent said unto the woman, ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
KJV

The suggestion appealed to her only because the serpent made her think that maybe God did not mean what He said, and was trying to keep something good from her.

Gen 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
KJV

Because of the serpents lies Eve became blind to Gods warnings and saw the tree in a false light.

Gen 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
KJV

The only truth in the lie was their eyes were opened! Deceived? I would say so.

About Cain, he became unhappy because his sacrifice of his crops was not excepted. I think it is only right to question in our minds why was  his sacrifice rejected. It was from his lively hood just the same as Abel's sacrifice was from his lively hood.

Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. KJV

Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. KJV

Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: KJV

If you notice Abel's sacrifice description fits in with the sacrifice of the lamb in the sanctuary in the wilderness which was clear on the other side of the flood. I find that interesting in itself, also you know about Melchizedek as the king and High Prist in Salem that Abraham took his sacrifices to.

What I get out of that is from the fall of man the Blood of Life was promised and to keep the promise alive in the minds of the sinner he was to offer a lamb or animal sacrifice. With the shedding of blood.

Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. KJV

Cain was in direct disobedience by using what he decided offer was  his works. Works is a subject that Paul spoke about a lot. Because works had become a main theme of thought in the minds of man even with the clear example of the Blood of the Lamb was the only way to be make clean form sin.

Gen 4:6-8 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. KJV


 Even after God spoke to Cain and explained that he was not doing the proper sacrifice, Cain stayed mad. His anger built as he mulled over the thought that his works were not excepted, he blamed his brother and killed him. 

The out come of any sin is death, because sin is sin. Sin makes no distinction between being deceived or out right rebellion. But I would have a hard time thinking that Eve was in rebellion like Cain was.

A person in rebellion may never give in to God's love and except a New Heart, they would prefer to work their way, but we are not the judge. God knows the heart and is able.

 A person that is deceived, when the truth is made plane with a clear revelation of God's love is more apt to surrender self to Jesus and receive the New Heart.

Jesus is the Light of life, my we die to self so that His light of love and truth shine 

Your humble brother in the faith of Jesus. Frank


 

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     9/22/2003 8:33 am  
To:  Franksharing    (7 of 19)  
 
  697.7 in reply to 697.6  
 
Hi Frank,

I'm sorry if my post seemed argumentative.  Please forgive me?

I will have to come back and address your thoughtful post later on, ok.  I am definitely interested in 'seeking understanding' with you.

God bless you and keep you strong in His word.

Amy
 
  
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  From:  Franksharing    9/22/2003 6:02 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (8 of 19)  
 
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Dear Beloved Child of God,

May the Lord Jesus be with you and guide you in all you do, as He leads you by His Still Small Voice. 

Looking forward to continue in the fellowship of Jesus our Redeemer!

Your brother in the faith of Jesus, Frank

 

 

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 
 
  
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From:  Franksharing    9/30/2003 9:32 pm  
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The Father of the Israelites before the Sanctuary

Up throughout the time of the fall of man to Abraham the promise of atonement from sin, was kept alive by sacrifices. 

The trouble with man, we have a tendency to turn a repeated way of worship into a from or tradition that is performed by rote.


Without really keeping a humble realization, that without the promise of the blood of the Lamb of God, man has no chance to eternal life. Feeling comfortable with the way they are in their own eyes, thinking that because they follow a form of worship they are covered by their works. Some even come to think as Cain did, " I can worship God as I see fit, by my own works. "

Lets examine the Dream of Jacobs famous dream with the view of a ladder from earth to heaven with angles going back and forth.

One of the things that impress me is the Lord God is showing Jacob that even tough he failed in right doing and feels condemned. The Lord God, (Jesus) is the bridge or ladder from earth to heavens throne.

It was not because of anything that was ordained of Jacob that the promise went to him. By rights of Birthright if someone was ordained to carry the seed it would have been Esau. 

You may want to study that out more on your own, and I encourage you to do so. But the promise was handed to the one who lived by faith in Gods promises.

Gen 28:12-13 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; KJV


The promise of the seed which the savior would come is passed on to Jacobs line. A question to ask your self is why did it go to Jacob when he was a liar and thief?

Between Jacob and Esau, there is a character difference that stands out but it was not their character that made the difference, it was who was living by faith and had a desire to do Gods will in their heart. Jacob did have a faith in God and had it in his heart to do the right thing even though in his weakness he failed. Where Esau was full of pride and took things for granted rather than by faith. He had no real concern for God or His promises because he felt he could handle whatever he may face and what ever he could get out of it was his due.

If you study it out the promise was always passed to the remnant of those that lived by faith in the promises of God.

Though his seed all the world would be blessed.

Gen 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. KJV

I see a duel promise by a continuing walk by faith in the promise of the coming savior, by which will bring a blessing to all nations or mankind. 

Do you thing we can see a comparison with the Israelites mission and the mission of the Church today? 

Before the Cross the promise of the savior had to be fulfilled before the promise of the second coming with the climax of complete removal of sin from Gods creation forever and forever. 


Jacobs life was not trouble free, he had many trials to go through to help refine his character and build his faith. Gods word is sure and true which can not fail on His part. God reassured Jacob that his continuing faith in Him would be his strong hold of protection.

Gen 28:15 And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of. KJV

When Jacob woke up from his dream, he knew it was not a normal dream, but a true revelation of God guiding in his life. Jacob was awed by Gods revelation and felt a need to honor Him with more than words.

Jacob felt that the very spot he was standing on was Gods doweling place. The Sanctuary of God among men.

Have you considered the Sanctuary is from God for a protection from sin, for a people who look to Jesus as our redeemer from sin. Jesus was signified in every sacrifice and ordinance of worship. Now the true Sanctuary is in Heaven and we can inter there with Jesus by faith. Our refuge and protection form all the suffering, pain and sin of this world.

Gen 28:16 And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not.
17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.
18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. KJV

Here we can see a promise by Jacob that did not rely on his strength but the faithfulness of God to help him keep in His ways.


Gen 28:20-21 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: KJV

Jacob was honoring God according to his feelings of unworthiness and from the past understanding of worship in a place of sanctuary had been revealed not only a place but a spiritual trust and love for God.

Gen 28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. KJV

A sample of love for God who is our sanctuary with feeling of gratitude that impressed a continual free will offering of monetary value as a recognition that God is our source of life.

Gen 28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. KJV

Compare the promise of Jacob with the promise of the his dependance at Mt Sinai.

Ex 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. KJV

In this covenant it was domed to fail because man has no strength in themselves to be able to stand true to their word to obey Gods Commandments. Jacob promised to be faithful by Gods help, but not the children of Israel.

The sanctuary worship and the covenant between man and God can not be separated. Without Jesus we would have no hope.

May we all seek to know Jesus better!

 

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 



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From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     10/1/2003 1:34 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (10 of 19)  
 
  697.10 in reply to 697.4  
 
Hi David,

It is important that Satan is alive and well and has, as his purpose, to destroy mankind through temptation to sin, etc..  However, we have to look at where Eve must've been standing when the Serpent came to speak to her...we can presume that it was right next to that tree, by what we read in Scripture, and following in a Matthew Henry commentary, he concludes the same thing:  that Eve must have been standing near the forbidden tree.  Why would she even be standing there, if not already harboring a rebellious attitude toward God in her heart?


Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 

[why was she believing the Serpent and not God? like us all, she desired something 'more' than what God had given to her...which was perfection!  Here, Eve was living in a perfect world with everything her heart desired and needed...and with direct fellowship with God Almighty!...yet she desired 'more!'  She couldn't take God at His word...that there was danger in eating of that tree.  I wonder if she had talked to the Serpent on other occasions, because she was not alarmed, nor afraid to hear this thing speak to her...they may have had many discussions?!  If we think about how long Adam and Eve might have lived before they fell into sin, we can suppose such a thing.  It wasn't necessarily that they were created....then the very next day they sinned.  Esp. when we read how Adam walked and talked with God in the Garden, etc.]

note: this is some of the Scripture that satanists use to say that Satan is 'light,' because HE showed Eve the 'truth,' and her eyes WERE opened...just as Satan said they'd be.']  


{Matthew Henry commentary}
Gen 3:1-5 - "Satan assaulted our first parents, to draw them to sin, and the temptation proved fatal to them. The tempter was the devil, in the shape and likeness of a serpent. Satan's plan was to draw our first parents to sin, and so to separate between them and their God. Thus the devil was from the beginning a murderer, and the great mischief maker. 

The person tempted was the woman: it was Satan's policy to enter into talk with her when she was alone. There are many temptations to which being alone gives great advantage; but the communion of saints tends very much to their strength and safety. Satan took advantage by finding her near the forbidden tree. They that would not eat the forbidden fruit, must not come near the forbidden tree. 

Satan tempted Eve, that by her he might tempt Adam. It is his policy to send temptations by hands we do not suspect, and by those that have most influence upon us. 

Satan questioned whether it were a sin or not, to eat of this tree. He did not disclose his design at first, but he put a question which seemed innocent. Those who would be safe, need to be shy of talking with the tempter. He quoted the command wrong. He spoke in a taunting way. The devil, as he is a liar, so he is a scoffer from the beginning; and scoffers are his children. 

It is the craft of Satan to speak of the Divine law as uncertain or unreasonable, and so to draw people to sin; it is our wisdom to keep up a firm belief of God's command, and a high respect for it. Has God said, Ye shall not lie, nor take his name in vain, nor be drunk, &c.? Yes, I am sure he has, and it is well said; and by his grace I will abide by it. 

It was Eve's weakness to enter into this talk with the serpent: she might have perceived by his question, that he had no good design, and should therefore have started back. Satan teaches men first to doubt, and then to deny. He promises advantage from their eating this fruit. He aims to make them discontented with their present state, as if it were not so good as it might be, and should be. No condition will of itself bring content, unless the mind be brought to it. He tempts them to seek preferment, as if they were fit to be gods. 

Satan ruined himself by desiring to be like the Most High, therefore he sought to infect our first parents with the same desire, that he might ruin them too. And still the devil draws people into his interest, by suggesting to them hard thoughts of God, and false hopes of advantage by sin. Let us, therefore, always think well of God as the best good, and think ill of sin as the worst evil: thus let us resist the devil, and he will flee from us."

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I believe that God came to talk to Adam first, because he is the 'father' of mankind.  Eve is the 'helpmeet.'  The authority comes through Adam first, and Satan used Eve to get to Adam...who very well could have resisted the temptation to sin.   It is through Adam that mankind is born into sin, not Eve.  [right?]   

It is certainly mindboggling to try to think upon all of this sometimes!  :)

God bless you, David.  [and Franksharing!]

amy
 
  
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     10/1/2003 1:38 pm  
To:  Franksharing    (11 of 19)  
 
  697.11 in reply to 697.6  
 
Hello,

I finally got some time to post more on this.  Thanks for your patience.  I replied to 'David,' but hope you will read my post, too, as it addresses what we were discussing.

Maybe after you read that, we could discuss the 'Cain' issue further. :) 

God bless you, 

Amy
 
  
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  From:  Franksharing    10/1/2003 3:27 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (12 of 19)  
 
  697.12 in reply to 697.10  
 
Hi Amy
It is good to hear from you. 

I agree that Eve was standing next to the tree. Our minds are capable of imagining all sorts of reasons for her to be there. Nevertheless we need to stay with what the Bible has expressed to us without adding or subtracting to what has been reviled. 

I do think as I assume you do that from the biblical details it gives us a good picture of what is transpiring without full detail. I am speaking in terms of the inter Bible. This is where we need to be careful because we can add more that was intended and then turn around and make that our religion.

I for one do not want to make up my own religion because there is no saving grace in that, that can change me to grow in likeness to our maker.

Back to Eve, maybe it would be helpful to look at what was their duties were in the garden, and what they were doing just before the account of the conversation with the serpent in the tree.

Gen 2:15
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep
KJV
Eve was "Gen 2:20 ...help meet for him.  KJV

What I see is a happy and very content couple that loved doing what they were created to do, without any complaint or feelings of being taken advantage of.

As she was working she unitentional wondered from Adams side, then seeing the serpent in the tree, in her inocents she went up to the tree to see how that could be when she was told that to even touch it that it would be death.

It was a very well planed deception by the devil to us on one who had no reason to want to disobey  her Maker. 

Even now we are warned that the devil is trying to deceive even the elect if possible. So let us study the Word. It provides eternal hope in Jesus with insights of how the deceiver is running around like a roaring lion to devour who ever he can.


May we seek the truth of God's Word in its purity
Frank


May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/1/2003 4:14 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (13 of 19)  
 
  697.13 in reply to 697.11  
 
Hi Amy,

Excellent Insight!

And where was Adam as all of this was happening if Adam had been with the woman chances are together they could have made a better decision.

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     10/2/2003 12:22 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (14 of 19)  
 
  697.14 in reply to 697.13  
 
Most definitely, David.   There is a purpose to being under authority:  protection!

God bless you, David. :)
 
  
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  From:  Franksharing    10/3/2003 1:31 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (15 of 19)  
 
  697.15 in reply to 697.14  
 
Hi sister Amy

Yes, it is a very important point. Adam and Eve would have had much better chances of making proper choices if they had not let each other get out of sigh of one another. They would have been able to serve their purpose of being one with one another. The whole account of the fall is a sad story but full of compassion and warning for us.

The love of God is the Divine purpose that will draw us closer and closer to Him and to one another.

From my reading of the account, God gave them plenty of ample warning of the consequence of touching or eating of the forbidden tree. Do you think it was something about the tree itself that was a killer? Or was it the seed of disobedience that was the killer?

Either way what was it that would have caused rebeion when knowing that disobedience to God and His commands would lead to eternal death, as if they never were! 

1 John 2:5 But whose kept his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
KJV

1 John 3:23-24 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that kept his commandments dwelt in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he lieth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
KJV

1 John 4:19-21 We love him, because he first loved us.

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
KJV

Rev 3:19-22 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
KJV

Jesus is our redeemer and through faith in Him we are overcomers! Amen

Your brother it the faith of Jesus, Frank


May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 
 
  
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     10/3/2003 9:43 pm  
To:  Franksharing    (16 of 19)  
 
  697.16 in reply to 697.15  
 
Hi Frank,

>>The whole account of the fall is a sad story but full of compassion and warning for us.<<

Most definitely. 

>>Do you think it was something about the tree itself that was a killer? Or was it the seed of disobedience that was the killer?<<

Disobedience.  Just as it is the sinful things of our hearts that 'kill' us in our souls and which break fellowship with the Father in heaven.

>>Either way what was it that would have caused rebeion when knowing that disobedience to God and His commands would lead to eternal death, as if they never were! <<

My opinion?  Pride.  

Thanks for your post, Frank.  :)

Amy
 
  
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  From:  Franksharing    10/3/2003 11:50 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (17 of 19)  
 
  697.17 in reply to 697.16  
 
Hi Amy 

Very good answers, I could not have done any better, nor as good! You got very high marks in my book. LOL

I understand that pride was what drove the devil to covet the position of God. He was the highest rank (if you want to call it that) of the angels, his position, talents and close proximity to God. In his work and duties, looking at the other angels he began to harbor a little pride that grew and grew tell he began to believe that he deserved to be on the throne with God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus was always the visible presents of God. So it was Jesus that the Lucifer felt he was equal to and wanted to be above Him.

Even though Lucifer was a created being and Jesus was the Creator. 

Pride is an awful thing and can and will lead to sin. The devil convinced himself that he was worthy on his own to be the greatest of all even God Himself.

It will be a wonderful when Jesus returns and receives all His followers unto Himself. What a great day that will be!

Rev 21:3-7 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
KJV


God bless my sister
your brother in Christ Jesus our Redeemer
Frank

 

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

A nice on line Bible study http://www.discoveronline.org/schools/222 
 
  
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     10/4/2003 10:03 am  
To:  Franksharing    (18 of 19)  
 
  697.18 in reply to 697.17  
 
What a terrific post, Frank!

Amy
 
  
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   From:  Franksharing    10/16/2003 1:24 pm  
To:  ALL   (19 of 19)  
 
  697.19 in reply to 697.18  
 
The Sanctuary

I am going to ask some question that I really do not expect a answer too, but I pose them merely for stimulation of thought that may help us to seek for a deeper and more fulling admiration for Jesus!

What is it the Sanctuary really a shadow of? Because the sanctuary in the wilderness was a pattern as well as it being a shadow of the heavenly, does that make it a building in Heaven?

As Jesus was looking up on the temple in Jerusalem He knew His time had come, by the fulfilling of prophecy to shed His blood to save humanity from sin.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. KJV

Jesus was talking about His body and how long He would be in the grave.

In the true essence of life Jesus is our sanctuary from all the sin and deception of pain and sorrow of this old sinful world.

Matt 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? KJV

Ps 11:4-7 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

7 For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright. KJV

Ps 48:8-10 As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever. Selah.

9 We have thought of thy loving kindness, O God, in the midst of thy temple.

10 According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness. KJV

Then next verse deals with how man used the sanctuary to worship a false god.

Ezek 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. KJV

What a sad seen. Men have come to the temple of the living God, even to enter it as a display of faith, but they turn around and but their backs to the Most Holy place to face and bow down to the sun as a deity of worship. Is that possible today? Man claiming to know God and worship Him but in reality they have but there back to Jesus and towards a false counterfeit God.

Hab 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. KJV

The promise of a savior given to Adam and Eve in reality was their first need of a sanctuary to protect them from hopeless despair with the comfort of Hope and safety from sin.

Along with the sanctuary, God established a form of sacrifice that would point to the sacrifice of God, to save humanity form sin.

First there was the death of an animal to provide Adam and Eve with as a covering to cloth there nakedness. Jesus covers us with His righteousness to cover our nakedness of sin with His purity.

Then we see that Abel was looking to the promise of salvation by his free will sacrifice of what God ask, to demonstrate his faith.

Noah and his family sacrificed, Abraham and his son and grand son Jacob sacrificed to show their faith in the Promise and worship of the true and living God.

Next Study will deal with the Sanctuary in the Wilderness. 

May our prayer be:

"Oh, my best Friend, my Maker, my Lord, shape me and mold me into Thy divine likeness. Make me entirely like Thyself. Refine, purify, quicken me, that I may represent the character of God."

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